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Clip #6 (4:57)
Fred: unintelligible

Jim: Yes, we do.

Fred: Yeah.

Jim: (noise) ... good trip

Fred: Yeah, okay.

Jim: Don is on the line, too, Fred.

Don: Hello, Fred.

Fred: Hi, how ya doing? The last time I heard from you, you were gonna get us some help and then you took off. What's the problem?

Jim: You were which?

Fred: Well, Don, I was gonna get some help from you with this lawyer problem and you take off. What happened?

Jim: Anyway, Fred...

Fred: Yeah...

Jim: ...the reason why we are calling...

Fred: Yeah...

Jim: because... um... we wanted to talk to you about your meeting.

Fred: Yeah.

Jim: And we understood that you had O'Dell's in your meeting?

Fred: No, not only did we have them, we had them here for the weekend, and I invited them here.

Jim: Uh-huh... into the meeting.

Fred: Yep, and for the weekend.

Jim: Uh-huh... and so maybe you didn't realize that we had asked them to not come to our meetings?

Fred: Well, I don't care what you asked them, Jim...

Jim: Uh-huh...

Fred: ... and Don. This home is going to remain open and going to stay that way.

Jim: Uh-huh... Well, Fred, as far as your home is concerned, of course, you have complete liberty who you have in your home.

Fred: That's right.

Jim: But it is our responsibility who comes to the meeting.

Fred: Well, that's fine. That's up to you. You do what you wanna do!

Jim: Uh-huh... And, uh... with that Fred, uh... I don't know if you really understand the stand that we have taken?

Fred: Well, I understand the stand that you took with (unintelligible) and I understand this... the limited company, and the conduction of homosexuality, you know, I don't know really what you guys understand.

Jim: Uh-huh... well, our stand is that, Fred, that uh... what we are asking you is that you stand behind Willis and the workers in Alberta.

Fred: Well, I tell you what. I won't do that.

Jim: You won't do that.

Fred: No, I, uh... this home is going to remain open...

Jim: Uh-huh...

Fred: ... and you want to run around with (unintelligible) and homosexuality, and you know what I'm talking about, um... I guess this home is gonna stay open!

Jim: Uh-huh...

Fred: You can do whatever you want!

Jim: Uh-huh... Well, uh... I guess then, Fred, uh... (unintelligible noise) ... we can't allow that in our kingdom.

Fred: Well, that's fine. You do what you wanna do!

Jim: Uh-huh... So, then, there won't be anymore meetings in your home.

Fred: Well, that's okay. That's fine.

Jim: We're going to ask you to not come to anymore of our fellowship meetings.

Fred: What was the reason for that? You know, you go look at the transcript on page twenty-five, and read Willis's answer. I have it front of me here.

Jim: Uh-huh...

Fred: You know, it tells us where... he said... this is what he said... that we're not to judge. You know, you're judging these people, and I was raised in an open home, and my wife was raised in an open home. We raised our kids. This home has been a three-ring circus...

Jim: Uh-huh...

Fred: ...for many years! And you know, uh... it's gonna stay that way.

Jim: Well, you are choosing, uh... to do this, Fred, instead of upholding this ministry in Alberta.

Fred: Well, I don't know what ministry in Alberta does, you know, uh... there are some things you have done that I don't really condone, and...

Jim: Uh-huh...

Fred: ...and this homosexual problem... and I'm not sure that we haven't found out it's right in to the middle of the work!

Jim: Uh-huh...

Fred: You know, uh... I think you've got a problem. You haven't dealt with it. Um... you don't deal with that, you deal with this. So, uh... you know, uh... you're... you're jumping on people, and that's fine.

Jim: Uh-huh...

Fred: That's your choice, you know?

Jim: So what we'll do is, we'll let the folks that go to your meeting know that there won't be a meeting there.

Fred: That's fine, yeah...

Jim: Uh-huh...

Fred: Okay.

Jim: Okay, then.

Fred: Well, you have a good day. Thank you.

Jim: Are you still on, Don?

Don: Yeah.

Jim: Um...

Don: (noise) you wanna just call me? Or I'll call you?

Jim: No... I think I will talk to you in the morning.

Don: Okay.

Jim: Okay, then?

Don: Yeah. Real good.

Jim: Okay, then.

Don: Yeah. Bye, then.

Jim: Yeah, bye. You got this written down?

Don: I guess I could.

Jim: I hope you did.

Don: Yeah.

Fred: It's okay, you fellas. I have it taped. If you'd like a copy of the tape I have a copy. I'll send it to you.

Jim: That is totally illegal!

Fred: No, it's not, in my home...

Jim: It is...

Fred: ... I can do that, you know.

Jim: You taped a conversation without telling the people that you have taped it.

Fred: Well, there's more to it than that.

Jim: ...totally illegal!

Fred: No, uh... you'd better listen. This home is full of people right now and they're listening to this.

Jim: And for you to (noise) ... that is very deceitful.

Fred: No, it's not, really. You might...

Jim: And it is also illegal.

Fred: No, it's not.

Jim: And uh... I don't respect you for being so deceitful as that.

Fred: Oh, well. That's alright.

Jim: Goodbye.

Fred: That's fine.

...end of tape...
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